For anyone looking for clues of an initiatic tradition in the West, it is helpful to follow the path trod by Rene Guenon. We can leave out of consideration any rumours or allegations, such as a mysterious Hindu or Sufi initiation. His own course speaks for itself and it is absurd to consider it as some sort of charade. The paths he actually followed are what counts, not the paths he may have studied. Of the former, there are three.
Hermetism
At the end of the 19th century, Paris was undergoing a sort of Hermetic revival, which attracted the young Guenon. He was secretary to Papus, one of the primary figures of that revival. He later abandoned that movement of some doctrinal issues and the lack of a regular initiation. However, keep in mind that this is the first place Guenon went to look for it.
Catholicism
He next got involved with Catholic circles, even marrying a devout woman. He wrote for the journal Regnabit (“he [Christ] will reign”) and traveled in a circle that included the Thomist metaphysician Jacques Maritain. He supported the organization Action Française, led by Charles Maurras, which included Positivists and Catholics among its members. Interestingly, he supported the condemnation of Action Française by Pope Pius XI on the grounds he was the legitimate spiritual authority.
Sufism
Unsatisfied with his first two paths, Guenon took advantage of a trip to Egypt following the death of his first wife to become fully engaged with Sufism. As we have pointed out, this was not a conversion in the conventional sense of the term. It involved an intellectual conversion and the personal judgment that Sufism provided a more certain initiatic for his needs. From an esoteric perspective, the abyss from Europe to Egypt may not be as wide as some think. Houston Smith describes Islam as a Semitic Religion built on Platonic metaphysics; he may as well have been describing Medieval Christendom. Furthermore, Sufism also has a Hermetic element of its own.
The Next Step
Let’s follow this logic, at least those of us who claim to be following the path created by Guenon. If the obvious places to look — Hermetism and Medieval Catholicism — are lacking a contemporary initiatic organization, then how can we expect to recognize such a thing? These obvious places are close to us in time, language, and history and are well documented. Presumably, they should be easier to understand than more alien texts such as the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali. Guenon mentions that the Romance of the Rose is an initiatic text, something he should be able to recognize.
Shouldn’t all so-called Traditionalists rush out to obtain and interpret this work? I doubt it, as many will prefer to learn the alleged esoteric secrets of the Runes. I say alleged not because the Runes had no such significance, but only because no one today has any means to know those secrets.
What are the clues we can look for? First of all, when Reason speaks, this is understood as the higher intellect, or gnosis, something few contemporary minds can even conceive of. The book is ostensibly about profane love, but that clearly represents a description of a spiritual path, from Dante and the Fedeli d’Amore to the Sufi poets. A forgettable neo-pagan web site I came across suggested that the Medievals “invented” Mary because they had no proper goddesses of their own. That is merely a confession that they invented their neo-pagan goddeses.
Of course, the Medievals knew about Sophia and the Anima Mundi, unlike those neo-pagans. The Romance even discusses the gods, a page they probably missed. They then make the tired claim that only some neo-pagan witches or Druids can understand it, while simultaneously misunderstanding it. To the contrary, Guenon writes about:
Christian Hermetists of the Middle Ages, whose intentions were always fully orthodox.
Further East, and this is getting to the point, Guenon recognizes that
Hesychasm [whose] truly initiatic character seems indisputable. … In hesychasm, initiation in the strict sense consists essentially in the regular transmission of certain formulas , exactly comparable to the transmission of mantras in the Hindu tradition and of the wird in the Islamic turuq. It also contains a complete technique of invocations as a true method of interior work
Guenon mentions that this tradition probably was able to continue by hiding itself. Shouldn’t we recognize, however, in the writings of Vladimir Solovyov, Valentin Tomberg, and Boris Mouravieff, all coming from the East, an unveiling of that tradition. The elements are there: invocations, interior work, gnosis, Sophia and so on. I know there are those driven by sentimentalism and an overactive subjective imagination who would choke on such a thought. However, like the Aghoris who eat the repulsive, I say Chow down. A man on the path will stop at nothing in search of enlightenment.
Interesting company you keep, Exit. You mean Julian who was involved in the ill-fated project of rebuilding the temple in Jerusalem? And your argument about “profaning” God by an historical manifestation is precisely the one used by the Rabbis to reject Christianity. So either you are a false flag operation claiming to be pagan but advancing another agenda, Exit, or a useful idiot. The latter, most likely, since you have not yet demonstrated the intelligence to even understand what is at stake.
As for the pagans, who have come and gone, they regarded their founders as divine, as the examples of Dionysus, Pythagoras, and the founders of the cities. That is Tradition, as well as avatars.
But just to be clear to others obviously, since clarity is wasted on Exit, the issue is not between paganism and Christianity, but between Tradition and not Tradition, including above all the many faux Traditionalists who abound these days. For any new readers who wish to understand this discussion in more depth, please look up the relevant posts on these topics:
Guenon himself claimed the origins of Christianity was esoteric
Guenon recognized the existence of initiatory orders in European Christendom
Coomaraswamy pointed to several Western writers on a par with the Vedanta
Coomaraswamy pointed to many correspondences between the teachings of Medieval Christendom and the Vedanta.
Evola considered the Middle Ages to be Traditional, notwithstanding his many confusions about it.
So there is no question of revival of anything, just a recovery of a way of thought that is Traditional, close to use in time, and written in European languages so there is less of a linguistic and cultural gap to overcome. (At least I used to think so). Thought is timeless, need I even have to mention such an obvious truth?
Replacing one exoterism with an allegedly older, non-existent, poorly understood, and artificially constructed exoterism (neo-paganism) is a task for fools.
This is the perspective of Gornahoor and anyone who denies those points without understanding why is wasting his time, and ours by commenting. There are plenty of web sites with dozens of clones of Exit who have been propagandized in the same way. Seek them out if you must.
Ok, this will be the last time I address this matter on here, since it is not only beyond the requirements and goes off topic but is simply outside the scope of this forum although arguably relevant to the study of active “satanic” agents (i.e, counter-tradition).
“The end goal being a global state lorded by a materialist minority of decadent merchant bankers mounted on the vassal of Zion while the serfs are a cosmopolitan mongrelized hoard of neutered zombies.”
Taken as themselves, they [the “Guidestones”] and their memes will not only promote the above statement but will accelerate the downward spiral. It is what we already live today and it will undoubtedly take on a global manifestation as the sphere turns to a cube. And no, I work neither consciously nor unconsciously for the NWO while opposing the NWO (known as the Occult War), no more than countless other men of the Right have. However I do question your attitude towards all of this.
Just as the United States was built on freemasonry, these are traditions counterfeits. The USA could not be more counter traditional even in its founding by anti-aristocratic republican masons even though the entire layout of Capital hill is star mapped out to glorify RA , from the symbol of Orion and the Pleiades. Similar methods of symbolism have been used with communism even though it uses geometrical, “Aryan-solar” and astrological symbolism. It hardly matters, since many globalist and subversive occult groups take on traditional and solar themes only to have their meaning inverted. Have you even read under the Sign of the Scorpion by Jüri Lina? Take even the so-called British Empire for example and what Evola called “The Empire of the Merchants”. That is the goal of the counter-initiation, the inversion of the real. These are the globalist Jews along with some token shabbos goyim, being both the conscious and unconscious agents of the counter-initiation.
What we are presented with here is again a, pantheistic (again nature fetishistic materialism), feminized and vegetative view of the world thrown in with some new-age ecoism and moralist theory. The inability to place mans spirit above “nature” while calling him out as a “cancer” is the catch call of planned parent-hood (courtesy of Rockefeller) and the whole modern green movement of today. If they truly gave a vibe of masculine solar imperial transcendence in line with Tradition they might be worth listening to in deciding our destiny, but this is simply not the case (any references to “RC” Rosicrucian’s are cheap). As ever with these agendas one must infer between the lines (not so much for the “Protocols of Zion” but that’s another story). Wow, the will to a world state under a rainbow flag of a multicultural mongrel creed and bastardized pidgin language. One can read the founding principles of the USA, the manifesto of the European Union and even the communist manifesto and ask yourself what the fruits of these flawed documents were. We have as a result all that is wrong with modernism today and with a world state under control of the current decadent regime it would be nothing less than a true end for humanity but the logical conclusion of the Talmudic will to world power with bad news for gentiles (and yes, they really do want just 500,000 million or less, there is no trickery in the number there). You may want to scan over this document as a starting point: http://www.thegeorgiaguidestones.com/Depopulation_UN_Role.htm .
The drive to a one-world state under the pretext of a liberal capitalist and culturally Marxist hegemony is a very real one, whether it appears to be happening by “accident” (nothing ever is) or not. Most of the radical Right who actually fought the allies perceived these events. On the other hand there were/are many attempts at establishing “new world orders”. Rome spoke of one, Islam and communism spoke of another (it also had a “new man”, even modernism proclaims one, quite apart from the Fascist idea). The fact that since the end of the last great war, we have witnessed an acceleration in the more perverse side of the judeo-masonic robber barons as they have consolidated more power than ever. Evola wrote extensively on this in MATR, RATMW and even in Mysteries of the Grail – add to that a host of other rightist thinkers (who call out the Judeo-masonic conspiracy) like Yockey, Pound, Joyce, Serrano, Chesterton, Belloc even Codreanu etc? . Had not the banning of Freemasonry by both Mussolini and Reichsführer Himmler some significance, since they knew the seedy power of these subversive organizations? Evola also made note that there were no genuine initiate orders left including what was remained of modern freemasonry despite the empty rituals that Guénon thought held some significance.
All this talk of environmental controlling brings us back to Bacons view and the Rousseaun “back to nature” vibe. Giving birth to the green movement’s reaction to industrialization who again wrongly place nature above man and the primacy of spirit. Clean environments are to be welcomed but not under the pretext of Agenda 21, where totalitarian regulation of our lives down to minutae (like Talmudian law making) will be conceived under the pretext of environmental control (plus over taxing among other controls).
“GUIDE REPRODUCTION WISELY – IMPROVING FITNESS AND DIVERSITY. “ Hmm the abortion and the diversity part is at least working out for these shady characters. How are McDonalds or Monsanto a tool for improving fitness, whatever that means?
Given the world controllers of today (centralized mainly in the USA, Europe and Israel, although globalised in banking and business monopolies) it would be a disaster for a world state to complete the circle of a conglomerate “democracy” (read Kevin Bolton’s “Revolution from above”), by consolidating power where the so called watchers could not be watched, we would indeed set the stage for world tyranny. We have seen the fall from great Roman empires to the aristocracies to the nations and then to the socialist republics and now to the dissolving of human races themselves into conglomerate multicultural/racial blocks of identity less deracinated grey masses. Have they (the globalists) not used every Universalist and “well meaning” cause to their own ends since the onset of the French Revolution (and before it)? Now I don’t think it takes much to see that the current detritus in power – both behind the scenes and in the open – show any intention of relinquishing power any time soon until it becomes a total one, and while there is so much more that could be said outside of the scope of this post, please try not to let yourself be fooled by their horse manure.
Charlotte: Yes the Denver airport is a quite blatantly open and sinister plot. The D.U.M.B acroymn is almost as retarded as the Wikileaks Task Force (WTF?) however please don’t tell Boreas about its theosophical swastika layout, he may start accusing us of been too heavy handed with his beloved “solar” NWO.
“The end goal being a global state lorded by a materialist minority of decadent merchant bankers mounted on the vassal of Zion while the serfs are a cosmopolitan mongrelized hoard of neutered zombies.”
Taken as themselves, they [the “Guidestones”] and their memes will not only promote the above statement but will accelerate the downward spiral. It is what we already live today and it will undoubtedly take on a global manifestation as the sphere turns to a cube. And no, I work neither consciously nor unconsciously for the NWO while opposing the NWO (known as the Occult War), no more than Evola, Codreanu or countless other men of the right have. However I do question your motives towards all of this.
Just as the United States was built on freemasonry these, are traditions counterfeits. The USA could not be more counter traditional even in its founding by anti-aristocratic republican masons even though the entire area of Capital hill is star mapped out to the symbol of Orion and the Pleiades! Similar methods of symbolism have been used with communism even though it uses geometrical, “Aryan-solar” and astrological symbolism. It hardly matters, since many globalist and subversive occult groups take on traditional and solar themes only to have their meaning inverted. Have you even read under the Sign of the Scorpion by Jüri Lina? Take even the so-called British Empire for example and what Evola called “The Empire of the Merchants”. That is the goal of the counter-initiation, the inversion of the real. These are the globalist Jews along with some token shabbos goyim, being both the conscious and unconscious agents of the counter-initiation. In fairness Boreas, your innocence shows how new you are to all of this.
What we are presented with here is again a materialist, pantheistic (again nature fetishistic), feminized and vegetative view of the world thrown in with some moralist theory. If they truly gave a vibe of masculine solar imperial transcendence in line with Tradition they might be worth listening to in deciding our destiny, but this is simply not the case. As ever with these agendas one must infer between the lines (not so much for the “Protocols of Zion” but that’s another story). Wow, the will to a world state under a rainbow flag of a multicultural mongrel creed and bastardized pigeon language. The inability to place mans spirit above “nature” while calling him out as a “cancer”. One can read the founding principles of the USA, the manifesto of the European Union and even the communist manifesto and ask yourself what the fruits of these flawed documents were. We have as a result all that is wrong with modernism today and with a world state under control of the current decadent regime it would be nothing less than a true end for humanity but the logical conclusion of the Talmudic will to world power with bad news for gentiles ( and yes, they really do want just 500,000 million or less, there is no trickery in the number there). You may want to scan over this document as a starting point:
The drive to a one-world state under the pretext of a liberal capitalist and culturally marxist hegemony is a very real one, whether it appears to be happening by “accident” (nothing ever is) or not. Most of the radical Right who actually fought the allies perceived these events. On the other hand there are many “new world orders”, Rome spoke of one, communism spoke of another (it also had a “new man”, even modernism proclaims one, quite apart from the Fascist idea). The fact that since the end of the last great war, we have witnessed an acceleration in the more perverse side of the judeo-masonic robber barons as they have consolidated more power than ever. Evola wrote extensively on this in MATR, RATMW and even in Mysteries of the Grail – add to that a host of other rightist thinkers, like Yockey, Pound, Joyce, Serrano even Codreanu etc? . Had not the banning of Freemasonry by both Mussolini and reichsführer Himmler some significance, since they knew the seedy power of these subversive organizations?. Evola also made note that there were no genuine initiate orders left including what was remained of modern freemasonry.
All this talk of environmental controlling brings us back to Bacons view and the Rousseaun back to nature rhetoric. Giving birth to the green movement’s reaction to industrialization who wrongly place nature above man and the primacy of spirit. Clean environments are to be welcomed but not under the pretext of Agenda 21, where totalitarian regulation of our lives down to minutae (like Talmudian law making) will be conceived under the pretext of environmental control.
“GUIDE REPRODUCTION WISELY – IMPROVING FITNESS AND DIVERSITY. “ Hmm the abortion and the diversity part is at least working out for these shady characters.
Given the world controllers of today (the USA) it would be a disaster for a world state to complete the circle of a conglomerate “democracy” (read Kevin Bolton’s “Revolution from above”), by consolidating power where the so called watchers could not be watched we would indeed set the stage for world tyranny. We have seen the fall from great Roman empires to the aristocracies to the nations and then to the socialist republics and now to the dissolving of human races themselves into conglomerate multicultural/racial blocks of identity less deracinated grey masses. Have they (the globalists) not used every Universalist and “well meaning” cause to their own ends since the onset of the French Revolution? Now I don’t think it takes much to see that the current scum in power (both behind the scenes and in the open) have no intention of relinquishing power any time soon until it becomes a total one, and while there is so much more that could be said outside of the scope of this post, please try not to let yourself be fooled by their horse manure.
Finally I’d never thought I’d say this but well done Charlotte you truly get it! Honestly it gets tedious being a wolf amongst the sheeple. Hard to say about that Norway Spiral, could have been a awol missle, but the Obongo visit was too coincidental. Yes the Denver airport is a quite blatantly open and sinister plot that I’ve known for years but please don’t tell Boreas about its theosophical swastika layout, he may start accusing us of been too heavy handed with his beloved “solar” nwo.
“The end goal being a global state lorded by a materialist minority of decadent merchant bankers mounted on the vassal of Zion while the serfs are a cosmopolitan mongrelized hoard of neutered zombies.”
Taken as themselves, they [the “Guidestones”] and their memes will not only promote the above statement but will accelerate the downward spiral. It is what we already live today and it will undoubtedly take on a global manifestation as the sphere turns to a cube. And no, I work neither consciously nor unconsciously for the NWO while opposing the NWO (known as the Occult War), no more than Evola, Codreanu or countless other men of the right have. However I do question your motives towards all of this.
Just as the United States was built on freemasonry these, are traditions counterfeits. The USA could not be more counter traditional even in its founding by anti-aristocratic republican masons even though the entire area of Capital hill is star mapped out to the symbol of Orion and the Pleiades! Similar methods of symbolism have been used with communism even though it uses geometrical, “Aryan-solar” and astrological symbolism. It hardly matters, since many globalist and subversive occult groups take on traditional and solar themes only to have their meaning inverted. Have you even read under the Sign of the Scorpion by Jüri Lina? Take even the so-called British Empire for example and what Evola called “The Empire of the Merchants”. That is the goal of the counter-initiation, the inversion of the real. These are the globalist Jews along with some token shabbos goyim, being both the conscious and unconscious agents of the counter-initiation. In fairness Boreas, your innocence shows how new you are to all of this.
What we are presented with here is again a materialist, pantheistic (again nature fetishistic), feminized and vegetative view of the world thrown in with some moralist theory. If they truly gave a vibe of masculine solar imperial transcendence in line with Tradition they might be worth listening to in deciding our destiny, but this is simply not the case. As ever with these agendas one must infer between the lines (not so much for the “Protocols of Zion” but that’s another story). Wow, the will to a world state under a rainbow flag of a multicultural mongrel creed and bastardized pigeon language. The inability to place mans spirit above “nature” while calling him out as a “cancer”. One can read the founding principles of the USA, the manifesto of the European Union and even the communist manifesto and ask yourself what the fruits of these flawed documents were. We have as a result all that is wrong with modernism today and with a world state under control of the current decadent regime it would be nothing less than a true end for humanity but the logical conclusion of the Talmudic will to world power with bad news for gentiles ( and yes, they really do want just 500,000 million or less, there is no trickery in the number there). You may want to scan over this document as a starting point:
The drive to a one-world state under the pretext of a liberal capitalist and culturally marxist hegemony is a very real one, whether it appears to be happening by “accident” (nothing ever is) or not. Most of the radical Right who actually fought the allies perceived these events. On the other hand there are many “new world orders”, Rome spoke of one, communism spoke of another (it also had a “new man”, even modernism proclaims one, quite apart from the Fascist idea). The fact that since the end of the last great war, we have witnessed an acceleration in the more perverse side of the judeo-masonic robber barons as they have consolidated more power than ever. Evola wrote extensively on this in MATR, RATMW and even in Mysteries of the Grail – add to that a host of other rightist thinkers, like Yockey, Pound, Joyce, Serrano even Codreanu etc? . Had not the banning of Freemasonry by both Mussolini and reichsführer Himmler some significance, since they knew the seedy power of these subversive organizations?. Evola also made note that there were no genuine initiate orders left including what was remained of modern freemasonry.
All this talk of environmental controlling brings us back to Bacons view and the Rousseaun back to nature rhetoric. Giving birth to the green movement’s reaction to industrialization who wrongly place nature above man and the primacy of spirit. Clean environments are to be welcomed but not under the pretext of Agenda 21, where totalitarian regulation of our lives down to minutae (like Talmudian law making) will be conceived under the pretext of environmental control.
“GUIDE REPRODUCTION WISELY – IMPROVING FITNESS AND DIVERSITY. “ Hmm the abortion and the diversity part is at least working out for these shady characters.
Given the world controllers of today (the USA) it would be a disaster for a world state to complete the circle of a conglomerate “democracy” (read Kevin Bolton’s “Revolution from above”), by consolidating power where the so called watchers could not be watched we would indeed set the stage for world tyranny. We have seen the fall from great Roman empires to the aristocracies to the nations and then to the socialist republics and now to the dissolving of human races themselves into conglomerate multicultural/racial blocks of identity less deracinated grey masses. Have they (the globalists) not used every Universalist and “well meaning” cause to their own ends since the onset of the French Revolution? Now I don’t think it takes much to see that the current scum in power (both behind the scenes and in the open) have no intention of relinquishing power any time soon until it becomes a total one, and while there is so much more that could be said outside of the scope of this post, please try not to let yourself be fooled by their horse manure.
Finally I’d never thought I’d say this but well done Charlotte you truly get it! Honestly it gets tedious being a wolf amongst the sheeple. Yes the Denver airport is a quite blatantly open and sinister plot that I’ve known for years but please don’t tell Boreas about its theosophical swastika layout, he may start accusing us of been too heavy handed with his beloved “solar” nwo.
by the way it’s not meant to be funny but it’s still dark comedy, Denver is so blatant it’s real laugh out loud material
Look closer at the murals Boreas
http://vigilantcitizen.com/sinistersites/sinister-sites-the-denver-international-airport/
They shifted half the amount of Earth that had to be removed during the construction of the PANAMA CANAL …..could there be something underneath it??
DUMB – Deep Underground Military Base
Yep, they’re here, they’ve got trains that travel at about mach 3 – so why don’t we??
🙂
Charlotte: Set and an enormous ugly blue horse spotted, together with some interesting collage-like paintings and mysterious ramblings. About activity in CERN and the Norway Spiral: I can’t really say what they’d mean, if anything.
For the record, I hate airports – together with other iron and glass deserts of the modern world – maybe even more than I hate ski resorts with their electric cable elevators and petit-bourgeous cafeterias, the most clear manifestations of a duped humanity in a spiralling downward slope.
Also Boreas, if this little nugget was news for you just take a look at Denver International Airport, complete with statue of apocalyptic death horse that actually killed its own creator during the making….DUMB, anyone??
I also refer people back to the Norway Spiral, which coincided not only with Obama’s peace prize but a major activity at the Large Hadron Collider at CERN. 9 December 2009, the world changed on this day.
I agree with both of you, lol – Boreas, especially with respect to the ‘true’ and ‘false’ New World Orders and the fact that it can be easy to think you’re helping the ‘right side’ – whichever you deem that to be – whilst actually doing more harm than good for your chosen cause. Also agree that one shouldn’t shine too much light on the enemy in case he/she/it takes power. I actually put up this post in response to Exit, trying to demonstrate the logical outcome of what is an essentially elitist tradition devoid of true Christian love.
With observer I agree that they are sinister and cowardly and tasteless, despite the degree erudition displayed, which in fact isn’t that hard to come by.
Of course, if they are meant to be a post apocalypse manifesto rather than a plan for culling the population (also agree this is the one moot point) that is kind of different, although one has to wonder that if ‘they’ saw this coming (and frankly, who didn’t?), why were better decisions not made sooner. Free energy, sustainable industry etc. Fact is, ‘they’ don’t give a stuff about nature, no matter how much they try to appropriate her for themselves, having already crippled ordinary people with all manner of bullsh*t laws and rules and restrictions and regulations….
My comments about frequencies are related to the enormous influx of electromagnetic energies and other polluting forces, which we cannot easily escape now, it has gotten a LOT worse in the past couple of years. HAARP has a lot to answer for, but it’s not the only culprit, generally over industrialisation and the maniacal space race are helping this along nicely, not to mention the largeset populations in the world suddenly switching on the lights….
One thing I do know is there needs to be an enormous mass awakening to and acceptance of responsibility, that’s a fact.
From the wikipedia article especially these caught my eyes over all the conspiracy ramble:
“Astronomical features
The four outer stones are oriented to mark the limits of the 18.6 year lunar declination cycle. The center column features a hole through which the North Star can be seen regardless of time, as well as a slot that is aligned with the Sun’s solstices and equinoxes. A 7/8″ aperture in the capstone allows a ray of sun to pass through at noon each day, shining a beam on the center stone indicating the day of the year.”
Sounds like there’s been real knowledge of astronomical laws and traditional sacred festivals among the architects of this monument.
“Center cluster erected March 22, 1980”
This is the traditional time-point to start the Great Work of alchemy and the spiritual transformation process.
Clearly there have been precise knowledge about sacred geometry and architectural symbolism among the builders. A Heathen sage with a helping hand could not have designed it more precisely than this.
Just to mention, let us not forget that despite the organisational corruption and subversion of the whole of modern freemasonry (scientism, illuminism, promotion of rationalism etc.), in its origins Masonry is wholly in line with Tradition and different particular traditions. Guénon wrote at lenghts about this, a whole book to be exact – the esoteric, theoretical and principal orthodoxy of both masonry and rosicrucianism – and especially about the symbolism; Evola mentioned it in many places; many other traditional authors delve deeply with it.
observer wrote:
“The end goal being a global state lorded by a materialist minority of decadent merchant bankers mounted on the vassal of Zion while the serfs are a cosmopolitan mongrelized hoard of neutered zombies.”
Taken as themselves the principles in the guidestones are an attempt at the exact opposite direction from this.
“Basically the guidetones are a lunar, utopianist, pantheistic, rationalised, new-age, feminised ramble, hence “Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.”
Funny, from its inscriptions and the geometric laws upon which it is built I understood it being a reproduction of an Aryan Solar Temple in the manner of Stonehenge.
“It is clear enough that these uptopian masonic manifestos are the direct manifestation of the counter-initiation.”
Is not the counter-initiation such a force that it will attempt to subvert and destroy humanity under any possible pretext? Where do you find the signs of this from the guidestones that include mostly honorable principles under many traditional languages?
“After-all, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.”
That’s true. With all due respect observer (I don’t mean to offend you), have you ever given a thought that this could apply to many of those who see themselves battling the NWO with a knightly courage, whether it is a real force or not?
I say that very many are working FOR the NWO by giving the thing too much attention in the first place, whether in their activities or in their thoughts. “One should not give weapons to enemies” is something many forget all too easily when drawing out their swords of light.
I think there are two “new world orders” and the present NWO is the visible manifestation of the Antichrist (materialism, tyrannical measures of the Leviathan states etc. ad nauseaum) while the ‘true new world order’ and the ‘true new age’ is something the likes of Evola etc. were the first ones to proclaim.
Charlotte, since you wanted some opinions about the Georgia Guidestones, I’ll consider all of them shortly by leaving all considerations of possible conspiracies aside and taking them as they are stated. I had never heard of them myself before they popped out here.
1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
This the only truly controversial principle in these stones IMHO. If it is not some sort of a principal manifestation for the post-apocalypse about how to keep the level of humanity in balance with nature, I can’t see how this could be done morally and without massive destructions / genocides (that do not sound like or could never be the methods of truly ‘enlightened masters’ or spiritual elites).
2. Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
At present humanity is going down the drain because of massive over-population, life-style related sickness (obesity, cancer, younameit) and wide-spread mongrelisation / homogenisation. I see no problem in attempts of improving humanity’s fitness and true diversity (cultural integrity, for example).
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
This is already done with English and because of global westernization, whether it is a good or a bad thing (probably both).
The true uniting language of humanity could be and IS symbolism based upon sacred science.
4. Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
This is a good advice, and one that Men and Women of Tradition should certainly understand and adhere to. Different faiths and traditions (‘traditionalisms’) should be tempered with enlightened reason if we want to avoid their clashing together violently, if we wish to avoid the rise of fundamentalism, cultism and sectarianism – and politically motivated, chauvinistic war-mongering “traditionalism” and “faith” under the banner of christian zionism or bible belt patriotism, for example.
All spiritual science attempts to temper passions and elevate them to the level of an offering and a rite. What’s the problem, folks?
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
Da…?
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
Sounds like a good principle to me for maintaining cultural-political-spiritual integrity and freedom while struggling in unison against violent aggressors. (Of course there are possibilities for a mis-application of this principle.)
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
Horay for this one! Over-blown bureacracy and useless officials belong to collectivist-materialistic and statolatric totalitarianisms. Away with them!
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
Sounds like a good principle to avoid partisan-like abuses of powerful social-political blocks, social atomism and tyrannical measures to limit personal freedom.
9. Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
PLATO and all the enlightened sages of the world, I hail thee.
10. Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.
Oh yes, Sir!
anyway, I got what I was looking for, which was condemnation of the guidestones and also the confirmation that others take them seriously as a serious statement of intent. It is easy, when looking into so called conspiracy theories, to think one is going insane, barking up wrong trees etc, constantly thinking that ‘they’ can’t really be doing certain things, but it seems to get clearer and clearer – by accident or design the NWO has definitely gone down a wrong road and needs straightening out. However I also agree with Colegero that the masses need to attain enlightenment – too many have succumbed to brainwashing and have let themselves be seduced by bread and circuses. We all had free will after all – at least we did in the beginning. It is a shame more people haven’t chosen to live responsibly and act in accordance with right motivation, or things like the Georgia Guidestones would never have been possible. I don’t see everyone as helpless victims, we all have choices, but so many have given up their birthrights and need to wake up to this fact. There is nothing wrong with taking care of nature, the irony is that the NWO are the prime culprits in destroying it with unclean industry like arms, pharmaceuticals, tobacco, cotton, paper, oil etc. makes you wonder why hemp production went from being compulsory – you could even pay your taxes in America with hemp at one point – to taboo. Could it be that this particular plant is so ecologically sound that it would help t he masses to be self-sustaining at the expense of big business. The answer is YES yes yes – there is a reason Henry VIII made it law to grow it! The seeds alone could solve world hunger. There’s food for thought – and it’s not just ‘feminised’, hemp is the only plant on earth that outwardly displays whether it is male or female….It’s not new age either, it’s been around for millenia 🙂
observer I wasn’t praising them lol, I was asking what people thought! I think they are vile, crass objects on a par with Denver International airport – they show their architects up as being far less enlightened than they’d like to think they are
observer, I wasn’t making a value judgement about the UK vs the US just stating facts, and actually the sentiments you express I was already hinting at, although I don’t think it’s quite so black and white as that. The UK is a smaller country and generally (I think) more in touch with its natural power centre/folk soul than America is. The American natives try but they’re up against a huge mass of opposition from a vast population with different motivation. As a small island it’s been a simpler matter for the UK to protect its magical aura, although Tony Blair did everything possible to blacken and shatter it. For better or worse the UK seems to end up better off than a lot of other countries in many respects, hence the amount of resentment against it (which I can understand). However I don’t see the Rothschilds as ‘natives’, if you will, they’re just a bunch of people who dominate the global financial/power cartel, although they’re certainly not alone in that….
I appreciate your dry ironic style Mr.Colegero. I was referring to the the comments section here when saying “This forum is perhaps the first I have come across to give praise to the judeo-masonically inspired and satanic NWO blueprint that is the Georgia Guidestones.” I was not referring to you personally or the articles made here so there is no need for tears. Yes indeed, it goes beyond the requirements but looking at other peoples comments above, they also go way off topic.
Yes the future is a hyper-modern version of today, just worse, hence why I added “Much like today one would guess..”.
Basically the guidetones are a lunar, utopianist, pantheistic, rationalised, new-age, feminised ramble, hence “Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.”
Were not the show-courts of Stalin, Mao and pol-pot just courts and laws for the proletariat? Obivously tt always depends on who’s justice it is.
It is clear enough that these uptopian masonic manifestos are the direct manifestation of the counter-initiation. After-all, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I appreciate your dry ironic style Mr.Colegero. I was referring to the the comments section here when saying “This forum is perhaps the first I have come across to give praise to the judeo-masonically inspired and satanic NWO blueprint that is the Georgia Guidestones.” I was not referring to you personalty or the articles made here so there is no need for tears. Yes indeed, it goes beyond the requirements but looking at other peoples comments above, they also go way off topic.
Yes the future is a hyper-modern version of today, just worse, hence why I added “Much like today one would guess..”.
Basically the guidetones are a lunar, utopianist, pantheistic, rationalised, new-age, feminised ramble, hence “Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.”
Were not the show-courts of Stalin, Mao and pol-pot just courts and laws for the proletariat? Obivously tt always depends on who’s justice it is.
It is clear enough that these uptopian masonic manifestos are the direct manifestation of the counter-initiation. After-all, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I’ll give you a free pass, Mr. Observer, although among the requirements for comments is the demand to actually refer to anything written here. I had never heard of the Georgia Guidestones, but I don’t seem much in common. Certainly, we have never mentioned points 1 to 4. As for just courts and laws, is that something you oppose? Along with truth, beauty and love? Can you find any passage where we have committed ourselves to materialism or bankers? The masses are already zombies, we are trying to set them free.
Best of luck battling the zionist decadent merchant bankers with your intellectual shortcomings.
This forum is perhaps the first I have come across to give praise to the judo-masonically inspired and satanic NWO blueprint that is the Georgia Guidestones. The end goal being a global state lorded by a materialist minority of decadent merchant bankers mounted on the vassal of Zion while the serfs are a cosmopolitan mongrelized hoard of neutered zombies. Much like today one would guess, but far worse and we won’t be that Elite!
“The UK is protected to a certain extent by the fact it’s the kingdom, the seat of monarchy as far as the world is concerned.”
A kingdowm ruled by the third estate Rothschilds who own the City of London. The state of the “kingdom” is just as prone to decay and decadence as any American State. At least the US still has freedom of Speech though, something even Europe as an entirety has not.
“Neither the hosts of the Gods nor the great sages know My origin; for, in every way I am the source of all the Gods and the great sages. He who knows Me as unborn and beginningless, as the great Lord of the worlds, he, among mortals, is undeluded; he is liberated from all sins.”
well looking at the dire state of American politics, the situation with the CIA, Federal Reserve, FEMA, flurodiated water etc, plus the fact that somebody DARED but those stones up in the US, I think the situation with respect to the new world order looks somewhat grimmer on that side of the Atlantic. The UK is protected to a certain extent by the fact it’s the kingdom, the seat of monarchy as far as the world is concerned. The rest of Europe I’m not too sure about, I’d say they’re somewhere in between
Why is that?
by the way I think t he whole Georgia Guidestones and related issues to do with dark overlords is more of a potential problem for America than England and (to a lesser extent) the rest of Europe.
I think they are pretty clear about the number and wanting to keep the population at that level? Doesn’t mean ‘they’ will actually do anything, but why say it in the first place, unless it’s just a crass lack of tact….
and yes, the actualisation is difficult until a critical mass is reached. Another quote from Chardin, who is seeming so relevant at the minute:
?”For the observers of the Future, the greatest event will be the sudden appearance of a collective humane conscience and a human work to make.”
This is what I see coming, it’s inevitable, it’s part of the process of evolution. It’s either that or sink into robotics and you don’t have to be Christian to know that’s unacceptable
Charlotte, I think Steiner was right in the wider possibility but the actuality / actualisation might be even more difficult after Christ: the stakes went higher in the same time that the ladder came lower.
Concerning the Georgia stones and the figure of 500,000: there must be some sort of a mis-understanding of the meaning of this number, although I can’t figure out (and won’t start guessing) what it is.
Exit, this quote from Rudolf Steiner (sorry folks!) in Christianity as a Mystical fact helps to elucidate something I was hinting at with the Georgia Guidestones reference and other things around the topic of Christianity in relation to ancient mysteries/elite tradition:
During the time of the Mysteries, “union with the Spirit” was the concern of a few neophytes only. Among the Essenes a whole community cultivated a life by which its members were able to attain this “union;” through the Christ event something, — that is, the deeds of Christ, — was placed before the whole of humanity so that the “union” became a matter of cognition for all mankind.
I don’t believe there is any difference between the formless Zeus, Jesus, Jupiter, Osiris, Attis, Mithras, etc., who are profaned when thought to be historical manifestations.
Why should we revive these gods you ask? I can also ask you why we should revive Jesus. There is no higher reason why religions disappear. The only reason was the iconoclastic hatred that the Christians inhereted from the Jewish religion. We learn all we need to know of Christianity from fragmments of Celsus, Porphyry, and Julian who recognized it as a barbarian religion, a hoax, and the “new superstition.”
As for a real revival of the old religions, I am not referring to the Middle Ages which has come and gone.
The gods are not all the same. There are gods for different cities and peoples. That is why there are multiple traditions, because of the different historical manifestations. Guenon insisted that the tradition is One, so a man at a certain level of development could choose one to follow. Everyone else should follow the tradition of his nation.
Given that, what is the purpose of “reviving” a dead tradition? Everything necessary is already available at least for those who can understand the symbols and rites. The only reason for doing so is based on some lower motive. There is a reason that a tradition disappears and another appears based on the cosmic cycle. Some men can understand that reason which becomes apparent at the end of a cycle: the Owl of Minerva flies at dusk. Most, however, remain stuck in the limitation of their own preconceptions and fail to comprehend that movement.
Also, how can we “refuse to admit” what we have been proclaiming? I recommend Coomaraswamy’s essay “Two Passages in Dante’s Paradiso”. He provides several pages of examples of a very precise correspondence (“the remarkable doctrinal and even verbal equivalents”) between various texts of the Christian Middle Ages and Vedic texts. This is clear to an unprejudiced mind, and a man of Tradition can never be blinded by his own prejudices. He brings up the question but denies that it is a question of “borrowing”, but rather arises from a common understanding. The ignorant self-defined traditionalists cannot see this because they still see things in terms and contingent, historical, and material factors.
Tomberg understands the unity of Tradition in Time. He writes:
This will become clearer in subsequent planned posts on the Anima Mundi and Divine Sophia.
yes, there is much that seems reasonable, especially for traditionalists, but I wonder how ‘they’ (the unrevealed architects) propose to reduce the world’s population to 500,000, given that we’re way over the ideal quota. There is a secret here to do with ancient tradition and the way of the elite, for while none of us can deny the appeal of an ‘ideal state’, one is beholden to wonder what happens when enough people refuse to comply of their free will. The tension in the world between what is most reasonable – most rational – and what is morally acceptable is extreme. (Of course, one might also argue that current ‘elites’ are not who/what they think/say they are, the self-professed ‘illuminati’ being of questionable taste to say the least).
going back to Exit’s points, I forgot to say that the dilemma (between pagan and Christian) ceases to exist when one is able to transcend time/space, even in thought. I was taught two spiritual ‘rules’ very early on. First I was told to avoid mirrors, second I was told to not be trapped by time. Wondering why this might be so can provide one with enough food for thought to last a lifetime!
Boreas, indeed there are dangers inherent in the subtle realm, but Guenon was saying that the whole world would collapse due to a sort of satanic manifestation. Sounds like something the church fathers would say. Besides, I don’t believe the old religions are dead and I don’t agree with the traditionalists who say we shouldn’t revive them. Nor do I think Guenon truly believed this, for much of his work went to restoring those religions, or at least their inner meanings. For it ought to be a perennial tenet, as did the Greek philosophers believe, that there are not different gods for different people, just different names for them. And so there is no difference which gods you worship because they are all the same.
EXIT said: “I don’t accept Guenon’s absurd argument that reviving the pagan religions would tear to pieces the barrier that separates the subtle and corporeal realms and thereby destroy the world. Such an active imagination that fellow!”
If I remember correctly, in this instance Guénon was speaking about the dangers of psychic residues and distorted fragments of old religions. No one in their right mind would deny the dangers of awakening shadows and delving too deeply into the atavistic layers of the psyche.
Charlotte: the Georgia guide stones are certainly interesting and there’s not really that much that I would object to with the statements in it. They would certainly be good basic guiding principles for an ideal world society and planetary balance (the building of which is inevitable / unavoidable), but the building of it will in the end necessarily depend upon fallible men and women, and before the interior work of men is done and the ‘rectificando’ made, the exterior society and world will necessarily and loyally reflect the (currently very sad and muddled) inner state of humanity.
all this is making me wonder what you guys make of this:
http://blog.world-mysteries.com/science/georgia-guide-stones-and-esoteric-agenda/
the awakening becomes more difficult the more alienated mankind becomes from nature, this is partly the problem of the western world – or the urbanised world I should say.
Great quote Exit and I totally agree about the powerful magical principle of polarity. We probably agree on much more than this beside, but there’s a big difference in that I don’t see an incompatibility between universal esoteric Christianity and ancient religion, more of an transformation. And yes, many people still exist in a state of mental, emotional and even spiritual slavery. I guess it depends on how one sees things and what one’s personal experience is. For me, passing through the magic door of love occurred in the twinkling of an eye that was opened for the first time and ears that heard for the first time. In this same instant I ‘saw’ the light of Christ, but in the period of time that followed, over 3.5 months, essentital truths of all ‘seed’ religions were revealed against a backdrop of classical studies, which is what I was engaged with in the ‘exoteric world’. The intellectual aspect of the classical traditions is indeed sublime when vivified by the eternal spiritutal fire. Nobody would deny that the hearth was lit many suns and moons ago, it’s written in the stars! I wish more people could have the benefit of this type of education, although in my case it had the uncommon effect of inspiring me to give Socrates a piggy back across the gulf between the ancient and modern worlds (whilst blindfolded!)! I actually spent an entire evening before my ancient history finals thinking this was the best possible way to spend my time, much to the glee of the invisible college 🙂 foolish antics aside, I am distressed also by the general dumbing down of society and individuals it constantly amazes me the lack of interest so often shown in the mysteries of God and mankind. Then again, it is best after all if the left hand does not know what the right is doing, perhaps those who choose to remain blindfolded are wiser than they seem at times…..
C., “What you claim you want to do has already been done.”
Yes, to a certain extent, but this is the first time you’ve admitted it.
What the yogis call Sat-chit-ananda (being,consciousness,bliss) is called Being-Intellect-Love by Dante. Dante is referring to the same state of Enlightenment. Coomaraswamy recognizes this, that is why he could claim that Dante was the greatest of Europeans from the Indian perspective. Guenon recognized the Divine Comedy as an initiatic text. Our task here is, and has always been, to awaken Europeans to their own Tradition which is undeniable. Those who nevertheless deny it will not recognize it anywhere and demonstrate either ignorance or a vulgar mean-spiritness.
You are still without a clue, Exit. What you claim you want to do has already been done. If you can’t recognize it, then your imaginary tradition is nothing. As Guenon says, everything happens for a reason. Please take a couple of years to figure out why things are the way they are.
CC, you say “the gateway is opened fully by love” but love only exists because of its opposite, as the Philokalia states, “There is among the passions an anger of the intellect, and this anger is in accordance with nature. Without anger a man cannot attain purity: he has to feel angry with all that is sown in him by the enemy.”
Charlotte, you misunderstood me. I don’t want to revive a paganism devoid of the transcendent, I want to revive the old traditions. This should be infinitely clear since I mentioned they should be based on Platonism and the Vedanta. Nor am I interested in creating or maintaining a syncretist mish-mash of Christianity and paganism, which has preserved but empty slogans and mere exoteric rites which they stole from the Orphic tradition. BTW, the blood sacrifice was already reformed into a vegetable sacrifice by Pythagoras and Orpheus long before Christ. Also, let us not think that slavery doesn’t exist today, but I fail to see what this has to do with Platonism and the Vedanta, nor does it interest me. Are you trying to put me into some sort of stereotype? I never once mentioned anything about reviving slavery???
Exit, paganism now is not the same as it was before Christ, a lot of the brutality has been filtered out. The truth and beauty of the ancient world comes to fruition in Christ, it isn’t destroyed by Him, the gateway is opened fully by love, blood sacrifice and slavery are abolished. Future from the past reflection, nothing of the best is lost
BTW, I don’t accept Guenon’s absurd argument that reviving the pagan religions would tear to pieces the barrier that separates the subtle and corporeal realms and thereby destroy the world. Such an active imagination that fellow!
A few questions. You wrote, “Houston Smith describes Islam as a Semitic Religion built on Platonic metaphysics; he may as well have been describing Medieval Christendom.” Okay, but firstly how can one deny at the same time that this borrowing took place? And secondly, why can’t we dispose of the Semitic religion aspect which is based on sexism, hatred of worldly wisdom and of the femenine aspect, and on Jewish bigotry – assuming Jews are a unique people chosen by god (yet in reality are identical to Palestinians)? Why can’t we rebuild our own religions based on Platonism and the Vedanta? It’s funny you mentioned Romance of the Rose, for it seems to me a very syncretist poem, going from the Greek and Roman gods to Jesus to alchemy to Platonism, to Judaism and to sexism, without much coherent and fluid symbolism. What it shows beyond a shadow of a doubt is that the Christians didn’t want to be Christian, they wanted to be “pagans”: they loved their pagan gods and practices!
“…because no one today has any means to know those secrets.”
For my own defence I must add that this can be mis-understood quite easily.
Carry on!
Ok, I understood you a little wrong: my apologies for the incomprehension.
I thought you meant in your saying that the runes should not be studied or they are somehow not in the same level in their mystical and initiatory depth, or that they are not knowable to the modern man only because there doesn’t exist the same kind of continuation of literary (or other ‘objective’) works in the runic system. I think this last issue is actually a positive challenge vis-a-vis taking something that is an acknowledged and recommended work, although it does have the risk of turning into mere subjective playing around and into a new-agish hobble-wobble.
In my criticism I said straight on that I have no intention to argue with the rest of your post, because I agreed with what you said in it: my points were raised about this single issue, in which I apparently understood your words in the wrong way.
I agree with you whole-heartedly that mere subjective and personal revelations do not suffice for a “tradition”. There should be as objective as possible studies about any subject that attempts to be more than mere ‘mystical masturbation’ and aimed at to a larger mass of people; they should even be almost at the level of ‘scientific accuracy’, notwithstanding the emphasis on the importance of personal work upon one’s self in the process, naturally.
About ‘Meditations of the Runes’: This is a good idea. I think its on its way in the longer run, in some form at least.
There is no runes controversy and, Boreas, you may think you are challenging what I wrote, but you are actually illustrating the point. We have already pointed out that, strictly from the esoteric point of view, there is no reason to prefer one over another. In the Kali Yuga, there is still a great opportunity for the individual to come to some sort of realisation, as you yourself have. But we at Gornahoor are interested in more than that, we look for the clearing so Being can reveal itself. That is a group effort.
So any tradition, especially any tradition in the future, must be complete and address the many issues we have raised. How does the tradition regard man, his constitution, his origin, his destiny and purpose? How does it see social life and address the issues of temporal power and spiritual authority. What about arts and crafts, an example of which you have provided; also mysticism or gnosis.
Private revelations do not suffice to this task. We should have a “Meditations on the Runes” with the same depth and erudition of the “Meditations on the Tarot”. We follow Guenon, not blindly, but first of all. He did much, but left much to be done. As for the example provided, and pardon the repetition, he pointed out that the “Romance of the Rose” “describes an esoteric process quite openly”. Do you really want to condemn me, Boreas, for preferring that quite open text for “doctrinal and theoretic study”? It is open, public and close to us in time and language. If we can’t recognize the esoteric process it describes, I don’t think we can recognize it anywhere.
Nice post, I would appreciate more of the likes of these. Showing the progressive trajectories of great spiritual minds and their reactions to our times is an excellent opener to those who wish to follow in their footsteps and with any luck, improve on their work.
I recall an old post before on the forums listing Julius Evola’s influences and its impact on his own trajectory. It would be great if these were posted again for ecumenical reference as something as simple a list as that is a gem of material for the seeker. Doing this for other authors would be just as profitable (ie,Schuon, Maurras, Blondel or even as you suggested the unveiling of the hidden mystic easter eggs of “Solovyov, Tomberg, and Mouravieff” etc) but covering the “big two” will wet more than the inspiring initiates’ appetite.
I have to acknowledge the great effort/discovery, Colegero, that you have made in covering the Eastern Orthodox mystics as western revival material being the thread of hermetic residues from the blessed kingdom of Byzantium (which is indeed the true continuity of Tradition for an future state).
On the Rune controversy, I would to hear Edred Thorrsons view on whether they are “knowable” or not even to the likes of a Traditionalist in the proper sense.
My apologies for the flooding, but I think this song and these lyrics have their place here in the light of what I said earlier on:
“a first weary glance at a ruby horizon,
the last glittering stars now passing from view.
the last dream is fading, the daybreack has come,
for this morn, now dawning, might be the last.
runes shall ye know on untrodden ways.
know how to scratch know how to grasp.
few only know that Othin obtained.
runes shall ye know on untrodden ways.
know how to round and how to attain.
few only know whom Freya will chose.
ere forenoon came closer that very last day,
the sun riding high on a watchet cloudless sky.
i left all behind me to follow the path,
untrodden for ages by none but the gods.
runes shall ye know on untrodden ways.
know how to scratch know how to grasp.
few only know what Othin obtained.
runes shall ye know on untrodden ways.
know how to round and how to attain.
few only know whom Freya will chose.
the bridge lies ahead know, shining and clear,
bright and golden, the lowlands behind.
for i am to walk on the untrodden path,
to follow the soundings, to never return.
runes shall ye know on untrodden ways.
know how to throw, know how to read.
few only know how to open the gate.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7D9co10Mxk
And they say that metal music has no melody, harmony and beauty in it.
“…many will prefer to learn to alleged esoteric secrets of the Runes. I say alleged not because the Runes had no such significance, but only because no one today has any means to know those secrets.”
I have no intention to argue with the rest of your text, but I took this as a sort of provocation. Why no one today has any means to know the secrets of the runes? What happened to self-initiation if the Kali Yuga? What about intuition combined with serious doctrinal and theoretical study? Are not the secrets of the Runes part of Eternal Mysteries, open to those who can align themselves with the corresponding thought forms, patterns and world-views?
I believe that a man especially with a northern heritage and a corresponding intellectual and spiritual outlook has today every possible means to comprehend the mysteries of the runes. Even a mere initiation of the work has provided me a thousand practical and empirical examples of the way they work themselves out both microcosmically and macrocosmically. I admit that one has to have the “initiatic mode of mind” for the runes to work and open up, though, and that is simply something that many are not ready for. One must be able to glance into the depths, but still, the letters are there for deciphering.
Please avoid this kind of truisms in the future, dear Cologero. You are too high a thinker for this kind of simplistic thinking in which everything that is not written down by some acknowledged authority could be dismissed as ‘not knowable objectively’.
Thank you for this, I am increasingly inspired to read some Guenon, which will involve buying more books to add to the groaning shelves but such is life.
Just a little word about your ending, the ‘unveiling’ is also going on further west, certainly within the grail tradition of Avalon here in the UK, although much of the work is inevitably ‘secret’ to at least some extent, even if the gates are being opened in many places. Around the world, in fact, the unveiling is occurring, seeing as the original initates ‘scattered’ with that purpose in mind. I find it very interesting to see how leading initiates and teachers adapt and respond to their respective environments, always with an eye on the ferociously defensive (and potent) folk souls, which may at last be stirring and uprising in a critical mass of places. (Not always with immediately pleasant or welcome results, it must be said, but it can be useful to see where lines are drawn as it makes discerning the true path that much easier)